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  Times articles about JW's

  by zound in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i found a bunch of old time articles about rutherford, fred franz, shunning etc.

  only problem is you need to be a time's subscriber to download the full articles.

  anyone on here that subscribes could you download them and share?.

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  It ain't Times . . . but a good write-up nevertheless.

  Peddlers of Paradise – The American Magazine, November 1940

  

  more . . .
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  I just created an account on jw.org

  by nonjwspouse in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just what is the purpose for it?

  i can get to all the stuff without an account except with the account i can look up meeting times of a local congo, or conventions, and donate to the wtbts.

  that seems to be it.in fact, once signed in that is all that is available and have to go back to being logged out to get anything else on the site.. what gives?

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  Splash >> Depending on your access level you can access km's

  That's just the thing: After login a publisher should be able to get her/his km's online - but you can't.
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  Exactly what did Geza Vermes write?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

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  the following is from how can you have a happy life, watchtower bible and tract society, 2013:.

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  Cross-referenced: 2013 How Can You Have a Happy Life?
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  I just created an account on jw.org

  by nonjwspouse in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just what is the purpose for it?

  i can get to all the stuff without an account except with the account i can look up meeting times of a local congo, or conventions, and donate to the wtbts.

  that seems to be it.in fact, once signed in that is all that is available and have to go back to being logged out to get anything else on the site.. what gives?

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  bats in the belfry

  Just like nonjwspouse mentioned - there is no extra information available on the the first layer of access granted. Nothing you couldn't also get by clicking through their website.

  It makes you feel kind of stupid after supplying them with registry information (clandestine/fake).

  How many levels? I guess COs and DOs should be on Game Level 3. But don't take my word for it, ask them.
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  I just created an account on jw.org

  by nonjwspouse in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just what is the purpose for it?

  i can get to all the stuff without an account except with the account i can look up meeting times of a local congo, or conventions, and donate to the wtbts.

  that seems to be it.in fact, once signed in that is all that is available and have to go back to being logged out to get anything else on the site.. what gives?

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  bats in the belfry

  . . . sort of two-factor authentication? Like elder's code and Big Mother's code combined = access.

  You get a bits of information and they get your IP, provider, and web browser specifics.
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  NINE REVERSALS IN JULY 15TH WATCHTOWER

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here's what i scavenged from the most notable watchtower i've ever read.

  it may be far more significant than many people realise!.

  and before anyone whinges that one or two are 'old light', the fact remains that all of them are rejecting what was once 'inspired truth' from the revered fds, and disagreeing with any one of these (now current) falsehoods would have resulted in your "stoning to death" and shunning by all whom you loved.

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  Quendi >>

  I agree with those who say these changes, ahem, “adjustments” will go right over the heads of the rank-and-file. They don’t want to think or take responsibility for themselves or their lives.

  Then it's time to remind them:

  Romans 1:28 − And just as they did not approve of holding God in accurate knowledge,

  God gave them up to a disapproved mental state, to do the things not fitting,
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  2013 How Can You Have a Happy Life?

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  credit goes to doug mason..2013 how can you have a happy life?

  (this brochure was published for jewish readers in mind).

  the site is a jw site and i think one page is missing.

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  Section 4 − Although the scrolls were written more than 2,000 years ago, they differ very little from one another and from the traditional Hebrew text in use today. “None of these variations affects the scriptural message itself,” notes Dead Sea Scrolls scholar Geza Vermes.

  When will they (WTBTS) stop picking sentences?

  For what was really said you need to read the context also:

  

  
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  Religious people are less intelligent than atheists, according to analysis of scores of scientific studies stretching back over decades

  by besty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-studies-stretching-back-over-decades-8758046.html.

  study found 'a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity' in 53 out of 63 studies.

  a new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades has concluded that religious people are less intelligent than non-believers.. .

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  "The level of belief, or otherwise, did however vary dependent upon age with the correlation found to be weakest among the pre-college population."

  Now you know one of the reasons why the GB doesn't want JW kids to attend higher education, college, university, etc.
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  Another story... possibly final story

  by confusedandalone in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is the exchange of text messages i had with my super spiritual brother.

  it is sad... it is pathetic... it has helped me realize that i have no connection to these people anymore.

  i feel free today.

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  Practicing Godly Devotion Toward Elderly Parents

  Recall what Jesus once told the Pharisees: “Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’ . . . But you men say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother: “Whatever I have by which you may get benefit from me is corban, (that is, a gift dedicated to God,)”’—you men no longer let him do a single thing for his father or his mother, and thus you make the word of God invalid by your tradition.”—Mark 7:10-13.

  5 If a Jew did not care to assist his destitute parents, he needed only to declare his belongings “corban”—a gift set aside for temple use. (Compare Leviticus 27:1-24.) He was evidently under no immediate compulsion, however, to hand over this supposed gift. Thus he could hold onto (and no doubt use) his belongings indefinitely. But if his parents needed financial help, he could wriggle out of his duty by piously declaring that all he owned was “corban.” Jesus condemned this fraud.

  6 A Christian who uses empty excuses to evade his duty is thus not fooling God. (Jeremiah 17:9, 10) True, financial problems, failing health, or similar circumstances may greatly limit how much one can do for one’s parents. But some may simply value assets, time, and privacy more than their parents’ welfare. How hypocritical it would be, though, to preach the Word of God but make it “invalid” by our inaction toward parents!

  The Watchtower 1987, June 1, page 14 pars. 4-6

  Caring for the Aged—A Growing Problem

  The elderly have their aches and pains, and understandably they can at times be complaining and crotchety, not always congenial and of a sunny disposition. None of which means that a strenuous effort should not be made to care for an elderly parent in the home.

  Awake! 1991, March 22, page 5
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  NINE REVERSALS IN JULY 15TH WATCHTOWER

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here's what i scavenged from the most notable watchtower i've ever read.

  it may be far more significant than many people realise!.

  and before anyone whinges that one or two are 'old light', the fact remains that all of them are rejecting what was once 'inspired truth' from the revered fds, and disagreeing with any one of these (now current) falsehoods would have resulted in your "stoning to death" and shunning by all whom you loved.

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  "There are some things I know — I know that Jehovah is God, that Christ Jesus is his

  Son, that he gave his life as a ransom for us, that there is a resurrection.

  Other things I'm not so certain about. 1914 — I don't know. We have talked about 1914

  for a long time. We may be right and I hope we are."

  Nathan Knorr (commenting on Fred Franz's taped talk on 1975) - Crisis of Conscience, page 260

  Eschatology is not for the faint of heart.